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Sarnath & Bodh Gaya

Sarnath altar
Statue on either side of the Sarnath altar

September 29, 2023

Dear Friends,

As a young man in 1971, I first traveled to Southern Europe, North Africa, the Middle East and East Africa. From Mombasa, Kenya I took a ship across the Indian Ocean to Pakistan and India. East Africa was spacious and sparsely populated. India was teeming with people, dirty and hot. I fled to the cooler temperatures of Nepal and did a month-long trek to the base camp of Mt. Everest. During the trek, due to a lack of roads, hotels, and restaurants, I either stayed in the home of a Tibetan refugee family or in a Buddhist monastery. Initially, it was through the Tibetans that I first got introduced to Buddhism.

Someone I met on the trail told me about Bodh Gaya being the place where the Buddha awakened and a good place to visit. When I arrived in Bodh Gaya in 1972 it was a sleepy village. The main attraction was the Maha Bodhi Temple which surrounded the Bodhi Tree that the Buddha sat under during the evening of his enlightenment. In the late 1960’s, the government of India invited various Buddhist countries to build a temple in their likeness in Bodh Gaya. I was drawn to the lovely design of the Thai temple and, when I walked up the steps and saw a beautiful bronze statue of the Buddha, I knew I finally found what I had been looking for my entire life. All my chakras were open, you might say. I started taking meditation classes and began learning more about Buddhism. I also visited Sarnath where the Buddha gave his first discourse to five yogis who had previously practiced with him. Thus, he set the wheel of dharma turning and it continues to benefit many to this day. A deep bow of gratitude to this great man and the wonderful gifts he has offered the world.

Statue in Bodh Gaya Temple

However, Sarnath and Bodh Gaya have changed tremendously, even in the past 30 years, since I was last here. Sarnath is no longer the quiet oasis to balance the intensity of Varanasi. The city has expanded and engulfed Sarnath. During the time of the Buddha, it was called Isipatana (the deer park), but you would be hard pressed to find a deer there now. The road is lined with souvenir shops and Indians wanting to be your guide. There are many pilgrims and tourists that crowd the streets, and it isn’t even the beginning of the cooler weather when many more people from Buddhist countries arrive. The same thing has happened to Bodh Gaya. The town is hardly recognizable with many more buildings, shops, people, and motorcycle and tuk tuk traffic. Initially I felt disappointed and sad over the many changes that have taken place. “But I want the old Sarnath and Bodh Gaya! The places that have meant so much to me!” After experiencing a bit of suffering around it all, the truth of impermanence began to shine through my resistance to what is.

In 1975 I attended a Vipassana meditation retreat at the Burmese Vihara in Bodh Gaya with the renowned Indian teacher SN Goenka. During the retreat Goenka-ji would often say “anicca, anicca, anicca.” Anicca means all things in this world are impermanent and subject to change. It is one of the fundamental truths of Buddhism and is universally true. I visited the same vihara today only it’s now called the Myanmar Vihara because the name of the country has changed. Walking into the meditation hall where we had our 10-day retreat with Goenka-ji I felt a mix of gratitude for his teaching and the experience of intensive meditation practice, and sadness that the place no longer felt vibrant and alive as I once knew it. Sometimes it’s hard to accept change, especially when we are holding on to the way things used to be. However, it isn’t change itself that can cause suffering, but our mind not accepting the present moment as it is and clinging to the way we want things to be. This trip is asking me to let go of the past and the way these places used to be and accept how they are now. Plain and simple.

Visiting the Thai Temple in Bodh Gaya yesterday was very meaningful. It helped me to connect with my Buddhist roots as I once again gazed at the beautiful statue of the Buddha, walked the grounds of the temple and met with the abbot, monks and nuns. The Thais are such wonderful, kind, generous people and they welcomed me with open arms. I attended a ceremony honoring the king of Thailand in which there was the traditional chanting and ate with the monastics. They gave me some medication to soothe my bed bug bites and showed me the same kindness and generosity they offered me during the six years I lived in Thailand. It was 50 years ago that I was ordained in Thailand on my 24th birthday in 1973. Being at the Thai temple brought forth so much gratitude and love. When I was a young man struggling with life and looking for some answers, the Thai people took me in, sheltered, clothed, fed and took care of me. It was in Thailand where I met my teachers, Ajahn Dhammadero, Ajahn Buddhadasa and Ajahn Chah, and had the opportunity to practice meditation and dharma in a focused and supportive environment. For this I will always be grateful.

Front of Bodh Gaya Temple
Back of Bodh Gaya Temple

In 1979, on my way back to the United States and still in robes, I taught my first 10-day meditation retreat at the Thai Temple in Bodh Gaya with Christopher Titmuss. Christopher is an Englishman who lived in the same monastery as I did in Southern Thailand. He was ordained a few years before me, and I always considered him an older brother in the dharma. During our retreat the Dalai Lama was in town giving teachings to the Tibetan people. At the end of the retreat, Christopher and I invited the Dalai Lama to meet with everyone who attended the retreat. We opened the doors so anyone in town could come. This was before the Dalai Lama was well known, and he simply walked down the road to the Thai temple with his entourage and joined us. We made a high seat for him to sit on and he answered questions, then said, “let’s meditate.” He got down from his seat and sat on the floor and we all meditated together. It was a beautiful moment and revealed the humility of this now famous Buddhist monk. When I returned to the United States and went to the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, Massachusetts, Christopher asked if I would lead retreats with him and Christina Feldman. This is where I began my dharma teaching career. Christopher lives in Southern England and is still turning out the dharma. For the last 20 years or so until the beginning of the Covid epidemic, Christopher annually traveled to Sarnath and led a 20-day meditation retreat at the Thai temple. He has always been an inspiration to me, and I’ve learned much from him, especially related to teaching.

This is the end portion of my trip to India. I will be returning to Varanasi by train tomorrow and the following day flying to Delhi in the afternoon, and then an evening flight to the U.S. Although it’s been a wonderful trip, I am ready to go home. I’m looking forward to being in the cool temperatures of the Western North Carolina mountains with my partner Lynda Letourneau and our cat Baba. Some of you I will be seeing at our next Tuesday dharma and meditation class that I teach online with Barbara Brodsky and our teacher Aaron.

Before I left the states, Aaron had suggested he would like to go along with me to India. Since Aaron is a spirit without a body, it’s easy for him to travel. I would close my eyes and invite Aaron to join me and when I opened my eyes he was “seeing” what I was seeing. We were seeing together. Sometimes we talked about it, but usually Aaron was a silent observer of what was going on. And there is a lot going on in India! It was wonderful to have Aaron with me on the trip. Aaron’s last lifetime as a human was more than 500 years ago when he awakened as a Thai Buddhist monk in the forest tradition, which is the same forest lineage that Ajahn Chah and I practiced in. I met Barbara and Aaron more than 30 years ago, and it has been a blessing to know and teach with them. For more information about the programs we offer together go to https://deepspring.org/. For a full schedule of classes and retreats I will be leading this fall go to JohnOrrMeditation.com.

Thanks to all of you for being with me on this journey. Writing these letters, usually in the middle of the afternoon when it was too hot to be out and about, has helped me be connected with you as I’ve traveled this foreign land. I haven’t been able to respond to all the emails I’ve received from some of you and will try to do so once I return. India is a one-of-a-kind place that will always have a special place in my heart. And I’m glad I could experience it with you.

Love To Everyone, John

Gritty, Ancient Varanasi

Dear Dharma Friends,

Thank you for the many kind responses I received from the first letter sent from India. It reminds me of the love and support we share as a sangha, and it has been an honor to walk the path with these many years. Some of you requested that I continue to take you along as this India journey continues. You are welcome to join us.

After parting with other members of our group, Jon and I flew to Varanasi. Immediately on the drive from the airport into Varanasi I felt a deep connection to this part of India. It is the plains of North Central India through which the Ganga River flows. This is where the Buddha lived much of his life and the area of India in which I have spent most of my time through the years. Once we landed and exited the airport, the smell of the land and air was very familiar, as was the heat and humidity. I felt as though I had come home to a place in my heart I know very well.

As we drove from the outskirts of the city of Varanasi deep into the heart of “Old Town” I could feel the excitement build. I had found a hotel online that was right on the Ganga River in the heart of dirty, gritty Varanasi. Varanasi (the ancient name is Kashi) is said to be at least 3500 years old and it looks it. The narrow winding streets with well-worn large gray cobblestones are lined with small shops that sell the necessities of life and a bit more for pilgrims and tourists. These are the streets where I had the image of my friend Jon and I walking sometime in the past and now we have the good fortune and privilege to be here together again. Walking amongst a crush of humanity, Varanasi is one of the most densely populated cities in the world per square mile and one certainly feels “packed in.” An Indian friend, who lived in the USA, once said “you Americans and your need for space.” Right! Most of us are used to having plenty of bodily space, not so in Varanasi. Think in terms of inches or feet between yourself and people around you, not yards.


There is an annual Varanasi ritual that took place the other day in which women, couples and families who want a child and perhaps have had difficulty conceiving, go inside a temple where there is a pond, and they step into the water and hopefully are blessed with a child. I wasn’t permitted into the temple to view the ceremony therefore my description is limited, but what amazed me was the number of people who were lined up for two miles to participate in this ritual. The Indians are an unruly bunch, so they had barricades made of wood to keep people in line at two abreast with inches between them. And the line went on and on and on from both directions leading to the temple where the pond is located. Some of them had been in line for 36 hours standing during the day in the hot sun. Children and family mean so much to these people that they are willing to endure such an experience.


Situated on the banks of the Ganga River, the neighborhoods of Old Town Varanasi are distinguished by ghats. Each ghat has steps that lead down to the Ganga. Both of the hotels I’ve stayed in on this trip are right on the Ganga River. It’s been wonderful to meditate on the balcony during the morning sunrise and in the evening and see the river flowing by. There are a number of rivers whose confluence upstream contribute to the Ganga. It flows through a vast area of India and, like many things in this country, is considered sacred. We took a boat trip in the early morning and saw many locals and pilgrims saying prayers and immersing themselves in the waters. While I did this in years past without getting sick, the Ganga is now very polluted, and I decided not to risk it. Indeed, traveling in my 70’s is very different than when I was in my 20’s,30’s and 40’s. The steep steps are harder to climb, and I don’t have the energy I once had. However, just being in this spiritual environment is satisfying enough.

I’ve always considered India to be pretty much the opposite of the United States. While materialism abounds in the U.S., a feeling of spirituality permeates India. Much to my delight this hasn’t seemed to change very much over the years. Yesterday I visited the main burning ghat where cremations take place around the clock. Some of the people were there to cremate the remains of their loved ones and others to visit the Golden Temple that is next to the burning ghat and well known in India. India has a rich and diverse history of spiritual traditions and there are many sects within Hinduism, which is the majority religion here. If you are a spiritual junkie, like myself, this is the place to be! One can distinguish if someone worships God in the form of Vishnu, Shiva, or a female goddess such as Durga of Kali by the markings placed on their foreheads called bindi or tilak. Three lines horizontally across the forehead means you are a Shaivite and worship the god Shiva as the supreme being. One aspect of Shiva represents destruction and death, and it is said if you either die in Varanasi or die elsewhere and have your body transported and cremated at the burning ghats, Shiva will whisper Ram (God) in your ear, and you will be liberated from the incarnation cycle of birth and death. Somehow with my Buddhist training I wish it was that easy. But who knows what can happen, and one thing I’ve learned through many years of being exposed to various spiritual traditions and practices is to not make absolute conclusions about what I see or believe. Better to practice the Don’t Know mind and just let it be as it is. If it is helpful to someone on their spiritual journey, then that is what is important.

In previous trips to Varanasi my visits to the cremation ghats were more of a contemplative nature as I saw the bodies being burned somewhat from a distance. However, this time with the aid of a guide, I was able to go to the center of the activity at the main burning ghat. No photos are allowed in the burning ghats area, and I will need to describe it to you. I walked up steps into a covered tower where I could see the whole process unfolding. I was standing in the upper area where the upper caste people are cremated. There were a number of bodies being burned at once. Looking down below in the middle of the ghat was the burning area for people from the middle castes, where bodies were burning at various stages of the process, and then a lower area where those of a lower caste are cremated. Historically India is structured on a social stratification system known as caste. The family you are born into determines what caste you belong to. As a Buddhist monk, I spent considerable time with people considered untouchables, known as Dalits, which is the lowest caste. Their stories were heartbreaking. At that time many Dalits were being converted to Buddhism so they could escape the caste system that has been oppressive to them. However, they knew very little about the Buddha’s teachings and there was a lack of trained monks to help them. Being at burning ghats was a reminder that as far as India has come in attempting to heal the injustices of this ancient caste system it still exists today in subtle ways.

My friend Jon left this morning to visit temples in Allahabad and Lucknow on his way back to Vrindavan where he will celebrate Maharaj-ji’s 50th Mahasamadhi (leaving of his body) and the place where he was cremated. At each of these temples, as he has done throughout the trip, Jon will chant eleven devotional hymns to Hanuman. This is an important spiritual practice for him. I have changed my travel plans and want to spend the remaining time in this part of India, especially in Saranath and Bodh Gaya which has a rich Buddhist history. I’m alone now, but not really, with 1.4 billion Indians surrounding me. I’m looking forward to less traveling and spending more quiet time in one place. This is how I like to experience India!

With love, John

Letter From India

Dear Dharma Friends,

I’m visiting India along with a small group of folks, one of whom is Jon Seskevich, a dear friend who I have known for many years. We met back in 1979 at the Insight Meditation Society and moved to Durham NC to work with the Prison Ashram Project, now called the Human Kindness Foundation. We’ve always wanted to be in India together and at this late stage of our lives, now is the time! One of the photos included is of Jon and I.

This is my sixth trip to India, the last one being in 1993 that coincided with a trip to Thailand to be present at Ajahn Chah’s cremation. Of course, India has changed somewhat since that time. The city of Delhi has more of a modern feel to it, however the countryside hasn’t changed all that much except there are more motor driven vehicles (cars, motor bikes and Tuk Tuk’s) instead of animal driven carts and bicycle rickshaws. And everyone has a cellphone!! Fortunately there isn’t the rampant poverty that existed in 1972 during my first trip to this ancient land.

Jon and other members of our group are devotees of Neem Karoli Baba aka Maharaj-ji. Many of the places we have visited are Maharaj-ji temples including where we are staying in Kainchi Dham, which is in the foothills of the Himalayas at 7500 feet above sea level. The mountains only get higher from here. A beautiful setting as you see in the photo included. While I have never felt a strong connection with Maharaj-ji, many of my friends, including my colleague, Barbara Brodsky, know him as their guru and I respect and honor their spiritual path. This is primarily a Bhakti (devotional) path with a strong emphasis on love and service, especially feeding others.

Being here has invited me to reflect upon my own spiritual journey as it has unfolded over the last 50 years. While I came to India initially with a strong interest in Integral yoga with Swami Satchidananda as my first teacher, I soon met Buddhism which led me to ordaining in the Theravada tradition in Thailand. The Hindu system that I have felt most aligned with is Jnana yoga, the yoga of knowledge which is based on the Hindu philosophy of non dualism, called advaita (nondual) vedanta (Vedic knowledge). The Indian Jnana yoga teachers I have most connected with over the years are Ramana Maharishi and Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. In my teachings of non duality you may have or will hear me speak of the wisdom offered by these teachers. Our practice of Pure Awareness is a non dual meditation that emphasizes that the conditioned realm isn’t separate from the unconditioned. Sound familiar?!

We are leaving the mountains tomorrow to return to Delhi where several of the people in our group will be returning home and my friend Jon and I will be flying to Varanasi. During my visit in 1993 I had a clear image of Jon and I walking the narrow streets of Varanasi together in a previous lifetime. This is the city of Shiva (the lord of death) and many Hindus either go there to die or have their bodies transported to Varanasi to be cremated. It’s a powerful place where I have spent much time in previous visits. Being in Varanasi is a wonderful meditation on death. This is in North Central India in Uttar Pradesh and close to Bodh Gaya where the Buddha was enlightened. I will spend time in Bodh Gaya and in Saranath, which is outside Varanasi and the place where the Buddha gave his first discourse and set the wheel of Dharma turning for the rest of his teaching life. After that it’s back to Vrindivan for Maharaj-ji’s 50th Mahasamadhi celebration, which honors his leaving his body 50 years ago.

I look forward to being back with you upon my return and sharing Dharma and meditation with you.

Love, John